#182 – Jurisdiction

America, FUCK YEAH!

Let’s see how much the comment volume drops now that we won’t have people speculating about what state they’re in.

Also, as Taco Bell is relevant to the comic, it’s totally worth checking out That SciFi Guy’s new commentary on the subject.

Transcript

Nate: That… that can’t be right.
Steve: Apparently they changed the law back in 2003. You have to have sex in the missionary position with the shades pulled, but you can totally bang a 16-year-old.

Nate: What about that Dave guy we knew? I thought he actually did time because his girlfriend was underage.
Steve: That was Virginia. This is North Carolina.

Nate: I somehow keep forgetting this isn’t a regular country.
Steve: Hmm, bestiality is a felony there. Guess your mom and I will need to cross Virginia Beach off our itinerary.

Posted on January 28, 2011 at 12:00 am in Treading Ground. Follow responses to this post with the comments feed. You can leave a comment or trackback from your own site.

174 Responses

  1. RotSman says:

    Okay, someone update TV Tropes…

    I hope he just shrugs and says “how interesting” and stays the course. Rose isn’t worth the trouble.

  2. 16 is the age down here too.

    Damn, Nate must be blue-balling like a bitch now.

  3. Texas is 17 with her consent. But Texas will fry you for just about anything so…good luck.

  4. Anony says:

    O.o I HAVE to ask…is that actually true?

    I can see 16 being okay (I believe that a good portion of the country uses it), but specifying that it’s missionary position with the blinds pulled?

    • Nick Wright says:

      The internet seems to think so. Can’t find the actual law cited anywhere though.

      • nakoninja says:

        the age part is very true. the part about the blinds and missionary im not so sure about anymore but i do recall a time up until about 1-2 years ago in NC that anything other than consenting sex with your spouse in the military position with the lights off and blinds closed was considered illegal. this included blowjobs as well as anal and all that. some of these laws have started changing though.

        http://www.cga.ct.gov/2003/olrdata/jud/rpt/2003-r-0376.htm

        that is a link to the age of consent as well as penalties for the states.

      • Doug says:

        Sadly, some of the laws on those links HAVE to be wrong. On several pages, it states that oral sex in California is illegal. If that’s the case, most of the porn industry (a good portion of which is filmed out of the San Fernando Valley) would be shut down. They have PROOF of these people giving and receiving oral sex.

        Now, it might have been illegal at one time, but I would have to assume that these laws have been struck from the books now because it’s so goofy.

        As for Nate and Rose, well, that could be legal…I just wonder if Rose is really mature enough for a solid relationship with Nate and that she can really be with him on something other than a sexual level.

        • Nick Wright says:

          I think the idea on those sites is that it’s “crazy laws no one enforces anymore,” but I honestly have no idea.

          • Ghosted Shadow says:

            Well, yes. It is like the “why is this still a law?” kind of deal. For example, Kansas has a law about eating vanilla ice cream on cherry pie. Kentucky (I believe) has one where you cannot hide your donkey in your bathtub. Most states have obscure laws like that, written from times past that make no sense what-so-ever, yet they’re still oddly, a law. Go figure.

        • Tim says:

          The thing about CA is rather than go back and change all the “blue laws” that are decades old they passed one new one. Anything between consenting adults that dosn’t cause death or serious injury is legal.

        • Crimsonshade says:

          I know that in most places, NC I know for a fact, cause I live here, that anything other than missionary, etc. is considered sodomy and it is the sodomy that is illegal. This might be true for the state of CA as well, however I still think that would be kinda dumb, as you would run into the same problems.

      • Tim says:

        So Alaska, HJ’s are cool no matter the age?

  5. Minty-Phresh says:

    They live in NC? I had no flippin idea. Is it Charlotte? Tell me they live in Charlotte.

    • Nick Wright says:

      Long Point, actually. It’s along the coast and fictional. Sorry to disappoint!

      I actually lived in Charlotte myself for a couple of months though, so there’s that.

      • The Negro Guy says:

        The Negro Guy laughs at the thought of this comic being in Long Point.

        • Minty-Phresh says:

          Dammit, And here I thought I could visit that supermarket for real (obviously without meeting the very fictional cast). I live in Charlotte and it’s nice to know you did at some point. It’s neat when things are based in your state. My sister freaked when she found out they film One Tree Hill here. And Yes, my fellow negro. Long Point is a hilarious name,

          • Nick Wright says:

            The store is based on various Food Lions I’ve worked at in South Carolina (they’re basically all the same.)

            • KWilt says:

              So… they all have vampires?

              Sweet.

            • Garand says:

              I always suspected the store was based on Food Lion. Most of my family and several friends worked for the local Food Lions here on the mountainous end of NC.

            • Thomas O. says:

              Heh… good ol’ Food Lion. They tried a massive expansion into Texas in the early 90s but that went nowhere. It’s interesting to see how many former FL buildings are out there – they’re all easily recognizable – and what they’re used for now (anything from Goodwills to ethnic grocers to charter schools to office space to libraries).

      • Jeri says:

        HA! That’s awesome he lives in NC, I used to live in Newport but ended up moving back to Minnesota… freakin’ walking freezer of a state…

        • Michelle says:

          At least there’s things to do in Minnesota. When I relocated from the cities to South Dakota I kept all of the cold and lost pretty much all of civilization.

      • Pink Freud says:

        So, you lived in NC, worked at a crappy grocery store, and amusing art imitates life, banged an underage, but legal girl there, and now live in Atlanta….

        Nick, I really must know, have you been stalking me? or are you just my long lost twin that only now surfaces to haunt me with my past? Even down to the “looking back in anger” storyline of losing the girl because of a lack of ambition you have accurately described the details of my life.

        Or did Scifi Guy tell you all about me and give you ideas? I don’t remember telling him much detail about my pre-N9 days, but if I was drunk enough, who knows…..

        • Nick Wright says:

          Heh, the Nate/Rose stuff isn’t based on my personal experience, and I’ve only known TSFG since about 2004 (after I started TG).

          There’s a crazy amount of comments I’ve received over the years where people tell me that I’m basically illustrating their life. Guess that means I’m doing my job here!

  6. Zenman85 says:

    No. Freaking. Way.

    Never saw this coming.

    America is so weird.

  7. N8 says:

    Nate’s probably wanting to kick his own ass right now. He could have plowed her cornfield at least ten times by now, and it would have been legit because she was more than willing.

    Also, is Nate’s mom that ugly, or is Steve just taking all the digs he can?

  8. Kevink says:

    WHAT A TWIST?!

    =p kinda seen it foreshadowed even called it yesterday in the comments =p

    Oh my what will this do to the Nate-Rose relationship…Although I have to question if that area has a Police officer on call to make sure all underage minor sex is missionary…

    ONE Man…One Position. On the course of Intercourse…The Buck stops Here

    Buck Magnum: Missionary Defender

    *Explosion*

    =p

    • The Negro Guy says:

      There’s one Micheal Bay film we don’t ever wanna see…

      • Pink Freud says:

        I just had a vision of a Robot Chicken crossing TrojanMan with the Simpsons’s Duff Man.

        *explosion*

        TROJAN MANNNNNN!!!!

        “Does Soemone need a Condom?”

        *Horse Nickers*

        “There, put this extra inside your Wallet”

        TROJAN MANNNNNN!!!!

        “And while you are at it, show me your ID”

        “You are too young to be going Doggy Style”

        TROJAN MANNNNNN!!!!

        You are going All …The…Way….to jail!

        TROJAN MANNNNNN!!!!

    • Minty-Phresh says:

      That comment was so win, I’m gonna need your address so the trucks will know where to deliver the mountains of cookies and gold stars

  9. Syaieya says:

    Thank you Virginia, you take the fun out of everything.

  10. HSomething says:

    Yeah, i thought that there were definitely ways to get away with it here. I live in Raleigh, so i was suspicious of it for a while. Nice to see how you tied it in and now we have a hilariously dumbfounded main character! Cant wait for more!

    And BTW, Food baron seems awfully similar to the Food Lion i live by down the road; even has its own pervous and nate and everything. Funny coincidence.

    • Pink Freud says:

      Oh God! I was living in Raleigh and working at the “food dog” when all this shit was happening. If this strip was taking place in the early ’90s and in any way ends up involving Rocky Horror I am going to have to sue for identity theft.

  11. The Negro Guy says:

    The Negro Guy says this comic is one of the greatest comics he’s stumbled upon, right next to Megatokyo!

    • Hsomething says:

      Agreed! How about Questionable Content though?

      • Witty Name says:

        QC has better art (not to say I blame anyone, I draw like crap, and QC has a lot more stuff, y’know, done… practice counts). As far as plot… well, I started reading this about a week ago, and have gotten tot eh point of being impatient for updates already, so it’s way too soon to make a call on plot-quality.
        Questionable Content is a fairly high bar though, y’know. >_>

        • KevinK says:

          High bar for a comic that had a Anthro-Pc with a fleshlight strapped to its ass? =p

          Say what you will about will, least Treading Ground updates on time, every time. Not whenever Nick feels up to drawing it, and then does so, then posts it technically the next day =p

  12. CrazedAssassin says:

    Here.
    (a) A defendant is guilty of a Class B1 felony if the defendant engages in vaginal intercourse or a sexual act with another person who is 13, 14, or 15 years old and the defendant is at least six years older than the person, except when the defendant is lawfully married to the person.
    (b) A defendant is guilty of a Class C felony if the defendant engages in vaginal intercourse or a sexual act with another person who is 13, 14, or 15 years old and the defendant is more than four but less than six years older than the person, except when the defendant is lawfully married to the person.

    Notice here that it cuts off at 15.
    http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-27.7A.html

    More information at
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#North_Carolina
    I am assuming that if Statutory Rape is cut off at 15 then a child in North Carolina is no longer considered Juvenile at age 16 which leads to the age of consent being there.

    • CrazedAssassin says:

      It has no statements within the sexual offense articles about Missionary or the blinds being closed.
      That is just something someone added for laughs.

    • Philistine says:

      I don’t think being a Juvenile is being cut off at 16 here. However, I am pretty sure that is the age you have to be to be emancipated. It would make sense that if the law thinks it is possible for someone of that age to live on their own, they are of an age to make their own decisions.

  13. mofo says:

    So now what they run in slow mo into each others naked arms and have wild missionary sex in a fild of flowers with the shades pulled down?

  14. Lando says:

    Hee hee finally! My silence can be broken! How long ago was it that I asked you about this exact issue Nick? 5 or 6 years? Naw but seriously I didn’t even know when I met my wife I waited for her to turn 18 before I asked her out. When I told her why I waited so long she punched me in the stomach.

  15. Captain Obvious says:

    As a resident of Hampton Roads (For those out of the know there are 7 cities that make up Hampton Roads, Virginia Beach is one of them), and Virginia as a whole, I can tell you that you can bang a 16 year old if you are within two years, four if you have parental permission. (Of course I heard somewhere that this law may have changed, so I could be wrong)

    So Nate could likely do Rose in Va, as long as he got her moms permission, which doesn’t seem like it would be to hard. It would however have to be in the missionary position, in the dark, in their room, with the curtains closed.

    Bestiality, is however illegal here.

    • Captain Obvious says:

      NVM I thought Nate was 2 for some reason, funny how the mind runs away with certain untrue facts even when they were given the truth before.

    • Nick Wright says:

      It’s a Class I Misdemeanor.

      Also, in my doing way more research on this subject than I ever wanted to, I never once saw parental consent exhibited as a legitimate factor in determining legality.

      Be careful!

      • Captain Obvious says:

        I’m not the one who has to be careful then, it’s all the other guys who took part in that discussion in high school and also thought it was real. Although that’s kinda funny if it turns out to be false considering this one slimeball i know who would deserve that sort of karmic retribution. Not that I a wishing ill on another.

        • Nick Wright says:

          Perish the thought! :-)

          • SpellingCommie says:

            According to a lawyer I talked to (*ahem* purely for research purposes only), parental consent doesn’t matter in the case of Statutory Rape. As a matter of fact, if it is discovered that a parent was knowingly and willingly allowing the act to take place, they could be arrested for negligence and lose custody of their child.

            So…those guys should keep it in their pants.

      • Neil says:

        The myth may (or may not, of course) come from a situation like that here in England, where marriage between the ages of 16 and 18 requires parental consent. In Scotland, by contrast, it doesn’t, hence numerous runaway marriages in history.

        Yeah, the UK isn’t a regular country either.

  16. Kate says:

    Yeah I met my guy when I was 16 and he was 21. Looked it up and it was legal in our state. A good portion of states have the age of consent set under 18 nowadays.

    Maybe there is still hope for them after all!!

  17. Passerby says:

    I was actually expecting the opposite to be true. That Rose’s little ‘weclome to the neighbourhood’ would have landed him an automatic 15 years if anyone ever found out making for excellent blackmail material or something like that.

  18. i was seeing this older lady for a short time when her daughter took a shine 2 me so she passed me off 2 the daughter. good for me right?.. being 3 or 4 yrs older i was reluctant but im a ppl pleaser (or a sucker) she practically raped me until the relationship went sour haha now shes trying to get me for rape even though she was 16 and her mom consented shes telling the police she was 14 and her moms saying she didnt consent. now i could do jail time cuz i went along with whatever she wanted and now shes lying- ppl are cruel. there is no deep or grand meaning to life. nobody wants to believe there life is insignificant. watch ur back you never know whose gonna stick there knife in it next.

  19. Bubbaclaw says:

    Here’s the $10,000 question. Now that Nate knows that he can not only date Rose, but actually ‘plow the red fields’ is he going to do anything about it? Or is he going to keep fucking Tracy and pursue a relationship with Miranda?
    Damn it Nick, you’ve turned your comic into a soap opera!

    • Frank says:

      Yeah. It would be nice if at least one popular strip on the Net didn’t take the sitcom/soap opera route and allowed the main love interests to properly and thoroughly consummate their love for one another, but still give the pair plenty of opportunities to royally screw up in a multitude of other ways as is typical of many real life couples.

      BTW, this is a general criticism of the international entertainment industry (it’s not only an American phenomenon), and is not specifically targeted at Nick.

  20. BunnyRemix says:

    Meh. Legal or not, she’s still young. He may as well bang his little sister. I honestly think they’re better off as just friends until one of them matures (mentally, I mean).

  21. blexmer says:

    way to show some love for NC. good to find one that finally is based here. now you need to just make some references about the eventless location that is the town i’m in. XD

  22. Ginger says:

    America, you’re so fine, you’re so fine you blow my mind, America. Why does part of me want to just say “So long, and thanks for all the fish”? *^_~*

  23. Tez says:

    Just wanna say, “Thanks for the home town shout out!” That’s definitely the first time I’ve ever seen or heard Va. Beach mention in any sort of non-local media

  24. Piccoroz says:

    Thank you, I don’t know how you did it but you managed to put Nate in a situation were it will need effort from him to pursue a relationship with Rose, I have Always been pro Rose*Nate, but always felt that Nate would be on the receiving end.

  25. Esquire says:

    So when this comic first started back in 2003, Rose was legal and Nate was just an idiot and didn’t know his own state’s laws? Man, suddenly I have very little sympathy for Nate. If he cared enough, he would’ve looked into this himself…

    • Nick Wright says:

      Just commenting on the subject of time here and not agreeing/disagreeing with your assessment of Nate – I may have started TG in 2003, but only 8-9 months have passed in-comic. It kind of has that Simpsons Time thing going where I’m commenting on contemporary pop culture and such but at the same time my characters aren’t getting much older. It’s annoying, but it makes the most sense for the type of comic this is.

    • Pink Freud says:

      besides, Rose certainly could have looked it up and shown him. She was certainly motivated enough.

  26. Eric says:

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse!

    So now Nate was just being a twat.

    Although he did get to bang Tracy (again), so its not a total loss.

  27. Rob Lopez says:

    Vindication! Or something like that. Now Nate has choices, and isn’t that all we really want in life?

  28. BriGuy says:

    This makes me want to jump through a time-portal to the strip where Nate is informed of Rose’s age. Just stick my head out and say “Don’t worry man, that’s still legal!”

    The Un-Cockblocker would be my favorite superhero.

  29. DruffyB says:

    Meanwhile in the UK we can shag a lot of 16 year olds…
    This reminds me of a song

    Never smile at a paedophle
    It’s something that you do for even a little while
    Do’nt be taken in by his friendly grin
    He’s wondering what to put his penis in!

  30. Enochuous says:

    I was SO CONVINCED it was Greenville, South Carolina! DANG!

  31. Tom says:

    I would like to see Nate’s mom….

  32. Ariamaki says:

    THANK YOU!
    This was probably in the works for a while before I started complaining about the absurdity of the legal argument, but it’s really good to see it show up regardless.

    Also, -lots- of normal countries have district-based age of consent differences :P

  33. Brendan T says:

    Clearly the ending of this comic should be Nate banging all three women in his life like screen doors while wearing neon green shades, a blinding white disco jacket, and bell bottoms before riding a pale horse into the apocalypse.

    …that got away from me a bit.

  34. The Jade Lord says:

    Except, isn’t Rose 17?

    • Volkai says:

      WHich is still under 18 and at least 16, so prior assumptions of Age of Consent likely caused by SoCalization (the assumption of national standards based on the standards of California, where lots of movies and TV shows are made) still stands, as does the new realization of legality.

  35. Jon says:

    Yeaaah…he’s right, we don’t live in a normal country, we have on average an unusually high age of consent compared to most of the western world.

  36. Jason says:

    I already knew they were in North Carolina because in an early comic Raliegh was mentioned.

  37. Pink Freud says:

    160 comments!?!?! Am i out of my mind, or is this a new TG record (I suppose it could be both…) either way Congratulations, Nick.

  38. Hail to the King says:

    as i read the archive for a second time, i come realize something:what exactly happen to Nate’s Mom after she had Nate? i mean when the story started she was sorted hot and the next time she’s mentioned, she has 27 cats. as any sane person will tell you , have more 4 cats is a red flag and now this. there’s gotta be a story behind all this

  39. Mark says:

    About time he actually learned something about the law that he was depending his whole relationship on. Just really pathetic that he had to learn it from his dick roommate AFTER the breakup.

  40. CCX says:

    So, we finally discover where this is set…and indeed, it is a state where the age of consent is 16, and it was mere ignorance that had fueled the plot thus far. Which means…oh my.

  41. Man boobs are really embarrassing! It’s best to get rid of them.

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